From Russia, the Land of the Work Around

[Art]

I can't get the link below to work for this but according to the article in Russia anyone without a criminal history or record of mental illness can buy a shotgun pretty easily....however there is a five year waiting period after purchasing a shotgun before Ivan can buy a rifle. The Rooskies have come up with a work around on this. They have necked up the 7.62x39mm and 7.62x54mmr cartridges to take bullets that almost give the case no neck at all and chambered standard Russian firearms for them. They get around the rifle restriction by using Paradox rifling, that is only rifling the last few inches of the bore. Russian law apparently does consider paradox rifled firearms shotguns and so far the Russian government has let this ride but the Russian gun and ammo manufacturers have other options waiting in the wings in case their 'gubmint bans the paradox rifled guns. In the link I posted on the Soviet Arms section about loading clips in the SKS the Rooskie doing the demonstrating was using an SKS chambered for one of the new rounds, 9.55x37mm.

Sorry again about the link.

https://www.nationalinterest.org/blo...bullets-112876

[togor]

Would make for some funny looking throat gauges.

[phil441]

Link works fine now. Thanks

[Art]

Because of a dangerous pressure spike with more powerful cartridges used with Paradox rifling the Russians have also developed a necked up version of the 7.62x54mmr cartridge (9,6x54mmr) that is made for a Lancaster barrel. A Lancaster bore is oval shaped and takes an oval bullet. I understand that decent accuracy comes with this system. I just wonder how they get the oval bullets to match up with the oval bore from a magazine, or do they? Like the 9.55x37mm cartridge this ammunition and firearms to use it are in production in Russia.

Russia is an interesting place where it comes to gun rights. Firearms are closely monitored but there is a constitutional right to self defense in Russia Ivan can use a firearm for self defense if he's fortunate enough to own one. Short of being on a pistol team no one can own a practical self defense pistol. There has been talk of legislation there to change that.

Russia is awash in illegal weapons that found their way into civilian hands after the fall of the Soviet Union and of course the possibly millions of Russians who own them are in no mood to give them up. I remember at the Beslan School terrorist attack parents came from out of the woodwork carrying everything from .22s to AKs and the authorities considered it the better part of valor to not try to disarm them there.

[barretcreek]

Read an article about Gen. Kalishnikov receiving an award from Putin. He commented that Russia needed the 2nd Amendment just like the U.S. , which didn't go well.

[togor]

The government there does NOT trust the people. Nor do the people trust each other.

They look at the Presidential Election drama playing out over here with incomprehension and wonder, that in spite of all the noise this time around, the expectation is still that we change leadership on 20-January with nary a shot fired or jail filled. Sure losing is no fun but to win or lose without blowing up the system is to be part of something far greater than could ever be dreamed of in the Kremlin.

[Art]

The government there does NOT trust the people. Nor do the people trust each other.

They look at the Presidential Election drama playing out over here with incomprehension and wonder, that in spite of all the noise this time around, the expectation is still that we change leadership on 20-January with nary a shot fired or jail filled. Sure losing is no fun but to win or lose without blowing up the system is to be part of something far greater than could ever be dreamed of in the Kremlin.

Unfortunately the brief experimentation with something like republican government ended with Yeltsin. After the old Soviet Union fell, largely through his efforts he became the new Russian Federation's first president and ushered in a short lived "era of good feeling" between the Russians and the west. Unfortunately he wasn't up to the job, and with the economy in shambles and having lost the First Chechen War Yeltsin handed off the job to Putin who defeated the Chechens and fixed the economy. As you said Putin isn't the type to inspire affection but the Russians mostly give him credit for peace within their borders and the fact that most Russian households now have a car, a cell phone, a computer and a big screen T.V.

It is a country, after all, with a long tradition of autocracy.

I don't think Americans really trust each other more than the Russians who are, at least, tied together by ethnicity, shared culture and religion. We have factions now that are not insignificant who look on their opposition as agents of the Anti-Christ.

[RED]

The government here has rightly lost the trust of the majority of Americans. People laugh when the government tells us how we are going benefit from their wonderful programs!

I can’t remember anything positive the government has done for us until the COVID vaccine was miraculously made available. That was accomplished because a multitude of rules and regulations were discarded. No other nation is even close to having a vaccine except for the ones created by the greatest nation on earth. Although Americans developed it, Great Britain was dispensing it to their citizens before ours citizens could have it.

All those discarded rules and regulations are going to reinstated on the first day of the Harris/Biden administration.

Thank God for Donald Trump.

[Roadkingtrax]

Thank God for Donald Trump.

[togor]

Art,

It's well nigh impossible to listen to the audio of the Georgia call without concluding that one particular faction is prepared to see as many laws broken as necessary to retain executive power. You tell me then what is the proper fate for such a faction, and its corrupt leadership. We're past the point of indulging wounded pride or feelings of disappointment. This threat is upon us all and upon generations of Americans yet to come, and it must be dealt with. And unlike the anti-Christ, this threat is real.