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    Read the whole article. They missed a critical part of the equation and that is people to man the weapons systems. Its estimated that 75% of our youth can't enlist. They don't meet enlistment standards. Of the 25% who can only 1% will enlist. In order to grow the force you have to have the manpower to do so. One of the reasons the Navy decommissioned the BB after the Gulf was because it took too many people to man them.
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    QUOTE=lyman;567995]we still have troops in many countries,[/QUOTE]

    Stupid countries. Countries that make North Korea look smart. C'mon, Asians can be smart but hey, they eren't all smart. The 737 Max crashes were flown by Indonesians and Ethiopians(insert Ethiopian joke). Donald says, screw em. That's what I say. Not that I know what Donald is thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m1ashooter View Post
    Read the whole article. They missed a critical part of the equation and that is people to man the weapons systems. Its estimated that 75% of our youth can't enlist. They don't meet enlistment standards. Of the 25% who can only 1% will enlist. In order to grow the force you have to have the manpower to do so. One of the reasons the Navy decommissioned the BB after the Gulf was because it took too many people to man them.
    Recessions have been known to improve recruitment. As for most not meeting standards...how so? It can't be physical fitness, which was the primary limit in 1940. The service is full of fatties. Maybe these days you have to be good enough playing Call of Duty to get in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by togor View Post
    Recessions have been known to improve recruitment. As for most not meeting standards...how so? It can't be physical fitness, which was the primary limit in 1940. The service is full of fatties. Maybe these days you have to be good enough playing Call of Duty to get in?
    It is estimated that 75% of our youth do not qualify for enlistment because they can't meet the standards. They either can't score high enough on the ASVAB, meet stringent medical standards, have addictions or criminal records. One can always change the standards but they have been this way for awhile. Examples my sons, friend wanted to join the USCG but has had kidney stones, that eliminated him, young men placed on behavior control meds as a child are eliminated. Drop out of HS can't enlist and the list goes on and on.

    A bad job market helps but only so much. As to being fat when in, thats after the fact. Being over weight will not get you shipped to boot camp from MEPS. I saw a upset young man who was to ship to the Navy that day in a side room at the MEPS station in Houston. He failed his weight check and couldn't ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m1ashooter View Post
    It is estimated that 75% of our youth do not qualify for enlistment because they can't meet the standards. They either can't score high enough on the ASVAB, meet stringent medical standards, have addictions or criminal records. One can always change the standards but they have been this way for awhile. Examples my sons, friend wanted to join the USCG but has had kidney stones, that eliminated him, young men placed on behavior control meds as a child are eliminated. Drop out of HS can't enlist and the list goes on and on.

    A bad job market helps but only so much. As to being fat when in, thats after the fact. Being over weight will not get you shipped to boot camp from MEPS. I saw a upset young man who was to ship to the Navy that day in a side room at the MEPS station in Houston. He failed his weight check and couldn't ship.
    A friend's son went to college for a semester and decided that it wasn't for him. He got in his head that he wanted to be a rescue swimmer for the USN, so he talked to some recruiters and they told him it was a high bar indeed for that program. They did however make pool time available for motivated wannabes and so this kid swam and swam and swam and he made it in. I coached him in some sports as a youth, and it's fair to say he was not a high-motor kid. But some guys, something kicks in and they find themselves. I say good for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by togor View Post
    A friend's son went to college for a semester and decided that it wasn't for him. He got in his head that he wanted to be a rescue swimmer for the USN, so he talked to some recruiters and they told him it was a high bar indeed for that program. They did however make pool time available for motivated wannabes and so this kid swam and swam and swam and he made it in. I coached him in some sports as a youth, and it's fair to say he was not a high-motor kid. But some guys, something kicks in and they find themselves. I say good for him.
    I agree. That is why the military can be a game changer for a lot of kids.
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    Overemphasis on technology, little or no training, poor leadership-that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackhawknj View Post
    Overemphasis on technology, little or no training, poor leadership-that's the problem.

    The problem is that competition has been deleted from the education system. In the past if yoju flunked 6th grade, you had to go back and do it again... That is passe, and today everybody gets a medal. Nobody should ever excell... that is racist, sexist, abuse for those that choose not to try. Everybody should be EQUAL... Nobody should have more money, education, or prestige than anyone else. That's the Socialist utopia that fools believe can exist. It can't....

    Competition spurns excellence. If you are limited by law to a fixed income, why would you try to do your job better. If you can't be promoted because of your outstanding performance, why would you make the effort?

    Togor and his Communist/Fascist followers think that if you get a job as a burger flipper at McDonalds, you should be a burger flipper until you are 65. You should get raises every year and by the time you retire, you should be earning $100/hour... flipping burgers.

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    Red this is not the 2A forum. Behave yourself please.

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    Even the National Guard is exhausted from frequent deployments. Active duty units are almost on a continuous rotation of deployments. The dems would love to see the military crushed at home and abroad.

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