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  1. Default Good news for you elephant hunters.

    https://nypost.com/2017/11/16/animal...me-trophy-ban/

    I'd much rather watch them alive myself, but better paying hunters than ivory poachers. Between corrupt gov't officials, incompetent law enforcement, and the exploding native population, most wildlife in Africa is doomed anyway.

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    It's long been known that the way to make a species prosper is to make it huntable. Hunters will ensure there are plenty of ducks, deer, elk and elephants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern Humphrey View Post
    Hunters will ensure there are plenty of ducks, deer, elk and elephants.
    In a country with a stable, well-administered gov't, and respect for the law among most of the population, yes; but what African country fits that description? In those countries, game preserves & national parks are just lines on the map put there to lure foreign tourists, which the surrounding native population can usually ignore with impunity.

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    Regulated hunting works great until the rate of poaching overwhelms it. Those African poachers will kill you for a hide in a heartbeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB White View Post
    Regulated hunting works great until the rate of poaching overwhelms it. Those African poachers will kill you for a hide in a heartbeat.
    The key to regulated hunting is to PAY the local people for the game you take.

    In countries where there is no hunting, the local people regard the game as nuisances, and the poachers as heros.

    In countries with regulated hunting, the local people regard the game as an asset, and the poachers as thieves.

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    NBC evening news reported the matter tonight, showing that photo of Trump, Jr. holding the elephant tail he had just cut off; which, presumably, he was not allowed to bring back with him. (Photo was bound to be misinterpreted & used against him, so why did he make it public?)

    Also on PBS was another story about an American woman's long-time efforts to save the elephants in Kenya, which is one of the countries that ban (legal) elephant hunting, but have a big poaching problem. Talked about hiring locals as tourist guides, and other ways to get the tourist dollars into the hands of locals, rather than corrupt gov't officials.

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    Cancel your safari--Trump has just flip-flopped on the import ban. So now he's succeeded in antagonizing BOTH conservationists & Safari Club members!

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    Have been hunting small, medium and big game since 1979. Once dreamed of doing the Big 5. Nowadays ... no Big 5. Oh well. One of those things. Good for those who can. Is the process of licenses, fees, etc. riddled with corruption? Probably. About like defense contracts with the DOD. That's just the way it works. If any money ever gets down to the local level, it's a mere pittance compared to what is being slopped out on up the food chain. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
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    If you wish to elucidate yourself on the status of African politics and governance, you should talk to one of the refugees from those countries. The Continent is descending into pre-1800 conditions. Regards, Clark

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    Quote Originally Posted by clintonhater View Post
    Also on PBS was another story about an American woman's long-time efforts to save the elephants in Kenya, which is one of the countries that ban (legal) elephant hunting, but have a big poaching problem. Talked about hiring locals as tourist guides, and other ways to get the tourist dollars into the hands of locals, rather than corrupt gov't officials.
    This is the same woman who, when told about the success of Botswana's regulated hunting program -- compared to the disaster in Kenya -- said, "That's managed elephants! I'd rather have no elephants than have managed elephants!"

    Well, thank you, Slobber Lips, for making that call for the rest of us.

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