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    Rivets are fine
    Last edited by brick26; 09-09-2017 at 10:57.

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    Yah. They did not show up properly in the pics

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    it is a real trench gun, pretty sure of that.
    But it may have been restored, because the parts seem to be a mix of early and late.
    However, there is some variance. The mag tube does not look right, it is not from a trench.
    Please post pics of the stock swivel inletting, it is almost impossible to fake - you need a milling machine - and that will tell it is is an original trench stock.
    *usually* - NOT always - the WB cartouche goes on a gun with a six row adaptor and no bomb on the receiver.
    GHD usually goes with a four row, bomb and often a filled front sight hole.
    I had a pretty much unissued GHD in the 935K range that had a 6 row, no bomb on receiver. That would be a "transition" gun between the inspectors. This one is later, has the WB and the bomb. So it is possible the stock was switched. Or not. Not an exact science. From where I sit I can not say it is an absolutely correct trench, and at the prices they bring, collectors will feel the same.

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    Missing the period after the S on the side of the receiver. Bomb looks a little strange, light,
    Can not tell much about the finish from the pics, could be a reblue.
    It should be a bright shiney blue finish. It is rust blue, and if you shine a white light on it, like from an LED flashlight, you should be able to see the brown rust under the finish. If not, it was re-done, which would be consistent with the mix of parts.
    These guns are so heavily faked you have to be really careful. It is NOT an obvious fake, but can not say from what I have seen that it is totally correct.

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    I think there is a period after the S. It's just lightly stamped, and the photo lighting makes it even more difficult to see. A lot of the trench guns in that serial number range have a lightly stuck period after the S.

    I have data on a couple of other guns in this serial number range that are configured the same way: US & bomb on receiver, WB cartouche, and 6 row heat shield. But it's also around this serial number that the US & bomb marked receivers, GHD cartouche, and 4 row heat shield guns start to dominate.

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    Thank you both, gentlemen. The last post sums up the thread, just wonder what the difference between commercial and trench mag tube.

    I am going to post a thread on M12 trench gun that I was offered last night.

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    There are holes for the takedown lever.

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    this is a page from a wartime manual for the military shotguns: it shows the holes too - for magazine locking pin. Or am I looking at some other hole?

    Last edited by brick26; 09-02-2017 at 11:05.

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    And this quote comes from another forum:

    Tom Doniphon
    Post subject: Re: Real of Fake? Know anything about Winchester 97 Trench G
    Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:16 pm
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    Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:21 pm
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    WW2 Model 97 trench guns have the xtra hole in the magazine tube for the takedown lever.

    WW2 Model 12 trench guns do NOT have the xtra hole.

    WW1 Model 1897 trench guns do NOT have the xtra hole.

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