Joe, did you get up on the wrong side of bed this morning? Run out of hot water in the midst of your shower? Sheeeeeeeeesh!!!! [GRIN]
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Joe, did you get up on the wrong side of bed this morning? Run out of hot water in the midst of your shower? Sheeeeeeeeesh!!!! [GRIN]
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No, not really.
Patterns are a strange thing. Watching this thread go from an SRS check request to somebody being falsely offended, and that's a honed skill, over some senile dude being retired during WW1 was an interesting study. Only took about 10 posts. A game similar to 7 degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon. How, who, what, or why does that pattern exist? What causes it.
I tracked it back to post #7. I'll diagram it:
Three pieces there. Read posts 1-6. Any negatives? Not really. Then post #7. Three pieces. The first is about th El Chaney charge.I have read an account by a Northern Michigan N.G. Volunteer, who witnessed the storming of El Chaney (Santiago, Cuba) by Black U. S. Regular Infantry. "It was the bravest thing he ever saw"! They were the first into that fortification and captured the Spanish Colors, only to have them taken away by the officer of a white regiment, who wanted the 'Honor' for his men.
Probably one of the greatest slights was during WW-1, when U. S. Black soldiers had to serve under the French Flag and French Officers, in order to get into combat.
The second takes it negative for no apparent reason. "only to have them taken away by the officer of a white regiment, who wanted the 'Honor' for his men."
The third leverages the negative established in #2: "Probably one of the greatest slights was during WW-1"
In three sentences a thread with no negatives is taken from something somewhat related through the "professionally affronted" to a completely unrelated negative.
Post number 8 is something of an attempt to recover the thread by the OP:
Post number 9, from #7 post, only takes two sentences to do it this time:Yes, I think it was the plains indians who originally coined the "buffalo soldier" term.
I have seen pictures of African American officers on various web sites that the poster indicates were taken during WW1.
The first sentence is, again, somewhat related to the previous post but really not. It simply sets up a negative in the next sentence which is unrelated to anything.According to the U. S. Army web site, the first commissioned Black Officer, in the Regular Army, was 2nd. Lt. Henry Ossian Flipper. He was the fifth Black candidate admitted to West Point and the first to graduate (1877).
Some of his classmates made his life 'hell' and I believe he had to defend himself against trumped up charges.
So in five sentence, via two posts, it's taken it from any relationship to the thread topic. Of the five sentences three are gratuitious negatives.Some of his classmates made his life 'hell' and I believe he had to defend himself against trumped up charges.
Let's count them:
*only to have them taken away by the officer of a white regiment, who wanted the 'Honor' for his men.
*Probably one of the greatest slights was during WW-1, when U. S. Black soldiers had to serve under the French Flag and French Officers, in order to get into combat.[/quote]
*Some of his classmates made his life 'hell' and I believe he had to defend himself against trumped up charges.
What does that have to do with the thread topic? Nothing. Just unrelated negatives set up with almost no effort at all. That's a talent.
With that setup in place Rick comes in on post #12. Primed to be offended at history overall with his heart bleeding over things he doesn't even understand. Over the topic of the thread? Of course not. It was set up in posts #7 and #9.
That really is a talent.
Imagine walking into an NRA meeting where the topic is Winchesters. Let's see if I can do it in three sentences. Remember I'm not a trained professional at this:
"Oliver Winchester's daughter in law ended up with about half of his fortune."
Somewhat related.
"The death and destruction caused by his trade drove her crazy. She built a huge house which is now a tourist attraction."
So I'm not as good at spinning the negative. Again, I'm not skilled in this art. Third sentence must be related to #2 marginally but not to #1. It also has to be negative and be primed to set everybody down negative lane on something completely unrelated to the original topic.
"The other big house which is a big tourist attraction is the White House. Obama is in there now. The guy is wrecking the country."
Some kind of strange threadjacker there. It only takes three sentences. Toxic to a board.
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I have no intention of hijacking a thread or being toxic (or politically correct). U. S. Military History is interesting. The segregation of Black Soldiers and their involvement in the C.W., S.A.W., and later wars is interesting, to me. The early posts established that a Model 1896 Krag carbine's serial number was not in the SRS records. A response made mention of a carbine attributed to the 10th Cavalry. There was a response about Black Soldiers, "immunes", in the SAW, by the original poster. I brought up the topic of Infantry, especially a Black unit (25th Infantry), carrying the position of "El Caney". I believe the SRS request was answered. It was relevant to share information on Black U. S. Military units and the experiences of early Black Officers. I found the responses of others interesting. When men overcome barriers and perform well in the face of unfairness, it can be inspirational to others. I don't believe I was negative or calculating.
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Yet you did both. I doubt you can even help doing that. You do it full time at KCA. I don't use that site. The two are related. Directly.Originally Posted by butlersrangers
Thus you hijacked the thread.U. S. Military History is interesting. The segregation of Black Soldiers and their involvement in the C.W., S.A.W., and later wars is interesting, to me.
No, this topic is about that carbine. You didn't bring up a topic, you hijacked this one.I brought up the topic of Infantry,
A read of posts #7 and #9 refute that.I don't believe I was negative or calculating.
Over 10% of the total posts at KCA are from you. It's a high noise low signal board. Tell me the two are not related. Good Krag information is exchanged here. Very little there. This is a high signal low noise board. You typically don't post here. Tell me the two are not related.
If people want you to surf the Intertubes for them they can get that at KCA. Do you really need to troll both boards? If you're going to start trolling this one please stop posting at that one and I'll provide Krag information there instead of here.
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I'm going to pile on that previous post and explain how it matters.
OP created a topic on a carbine. OP owns the topic. The topic is about his carbine.
In post #7 Butler Ranger hijacked the thread. He reinforced his ownership of the thread in post #9. Why?
Because it's interesting to himThe segregation of Black Soldiers and their involvement in the C.W., S.A.W., and later wars is interesting, to me.
In an alternate universe, the universe this board exists in without him hijacking threads, OP would still own this thread. Information on his carbine would be provided to OP. That is the universe which used to exist and does exist without ButlerRanger not hijacking threads because he has a pet interest he wants shopped to others.
That is why it matters.
Go through this thread and see how much information was provided to OP on his gun. It's why he came here. He owned the topic.
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To 'thek98sniper': I apologize to you, if I interfered with your getting information regarding your question(s) or sidetracked anything.
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hahahahahahahaha! You guys are great ! I'll start a new post so we can do this again.
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Unfortunately perhaps, I can, as usual see some good points on BOTH sides of this cat-fight.
On average, 95% of the serial number questions are doomed to failure - in actual practice it seems closer to 99%. That makes for a very short thread - which, I guess is OK, but, if along the way other things get teased out, that is what can turn a doomed thread into a discussion, where even more interesting points may come up, as memories are jogged. This is a chat room, after all - and one is always free to drop out of a thread if it no longer interests them.
What I personally miss is the technical, part ID questions, etc. which seem to have dried up. I guess everyone knows everything now. Well, everyone except some of the sellers on Gunbroker.
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The indians came up with the name due to blacks hair which reminded them of Buffalo's manes.
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What you are not seeing is legion. Some of it due to the "boiled frog" effect.
Firstly, the Matco Trollkit Butlerrangers has ($150 with coupon at Harbor Freight) includes the Threadjacker 2000(R). I've seen it before - many people have it. I've also seen that "three steps to owning a thread" bit for the Threadjacker 2000 used before. What came as a surprise was the "bleeding heart negativity" coating on that bit. It came as a surprise. Now that I've seen it I'll notice it elsewhere.
Butlerranger set up is Trollkit at KCA. Started hijacking threads. Why? To masturabate. What other term can be used for that? Pseudo-intellectual masterbation. In order to do that he has to push the OP off the stage of their own thread. Then he owns it and gains the audience for free.
That's not enough though. So he starts threads to do that. Nobody pays attention so he does it in a mirror.
Then the "boiled frog effect" comes into play. I don't follow the KCA. For a good reason. I don't care for that type of show. You, and others here, do. Thus you've been boiled.
It's like living in a house with a senile Uncle Charley. At first he comes down with no pants. "Put your pants on." That battle continues until he gets his way. Next he comes down sans underpants. Eventually everybody in the house gets used to that. A stranger comes in and is shocked and offended. Everybody is shocked that the stranger is shocked. Why? They've grown used to it.
That's where you're at. You see it full time at KCA. Thus it's normal to you. Trust me, it's not normal. It didn't exist here.
"Give him a chance." We just did. Tired of a lack of an audience at KCA he's arrived here with his Trollkit. At first it was just unzipping. In this thread he pushed OP off stage and started doing it. To you that was normal. To me it isn't. So am I over-reacting? No, you're underreacting. He'll do it again. He can't help himself. You need to take a course on "enabling."
This board has gained a reputation for being the place where people can get answers to the questions they have on their guns. KCA has a reputation but not for that. People thus get pointed here. There are three parties involved:
1) Those that were pointed here because they can get their questions answered.
2) Those that have built that reputation.
3) Butlerranger.
He already has a stage at KCA. Not letting him do that here means no real loss to him. He really doesn't have enough material for two shows anyway.
Those that have established the reputation for this board are being shorted.
Those that were pointed here get a double shocker. Their questions aren't answered and instead they get that show. Double whammy.
Am I being too harsh? I don't think so. This board has a reputation and it took work on everybody's part to establish it. Having Butlerranger turn it into his second stage would be bad for the board.
So he should keep that show at KCA where you're all used to it.
Am I being too harsh? No. No different from shooing kids away from smashing pumpkins in the neighbor's garden.
Anyone that does see it can easily go to KCA and see it on full display.
If those running Jouster have a problem with this post - fine, mention it or ban me. Trust me - you'll then get a show.
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The thread as it would have existed without that Trollkit being used to push OP off stage for the masturbation show:
Default SRS Check Request 1896 Krag Carbine R. Rider? 32809
I wondering if someone would be kind enough run this serial number for me. I picked up one today at a local gun shop with this serial number and appear to be all the correct parts, and marks. I would be interesting since it is in the middle of the "Rough Rider" range if it makes a hit. Thanks in advance. The number is 32809Many often use the SRS lists and do that "closest is X unit" thing. Then the guns gains an air of being in that unit when the reality is the opposite.(Dick Hosmer) 32827 is the closest listing that I found - 10th Cav, FWIW (which isn't much - only hits count).
Let's say there was a ship coming to America. Three decks (A/B/C) with 25 people on each. The ship sinks and the people board lifeboats. Five people to the boat. You had an Uncle on the ship and want to know what deck he was on.
The records for that sinking give us who was in two of the 15 life boats. Both from Deck A:
Bob, Dick, Ned, Tom, Paul (boiled frog boat).
Alice, Annie, Annamarie, Abigail, and Annabel.
"Hey, my uncle's name was Dirk. He was probably on that deck as his name is close to Dick." It doesn't work that way. The first boat loaded from deck C might have had Bo, Dirk, Nate, Tony, and Pappy.
So the chances of Dirk being on A deck is 15 of 75. B and C deck have 25 of 75 each.
The fact that your gun isn't on the list for that unit simply establishes that the chances it was in that unit are less. For all kinds of reasons.
Stage 2:
The first Krags were rifles. Let's say 25,000 but it was a bit less. Then came 10,000 carbines. "Cavalry." Yes and no.
Rifles went to "non-mounted" uses. So perhaps guards in addition to traditional infantry units.
Carbines went to mounted uses. Engineers is an easy "non-cavalry" use case.
I have the records for three chests of rifles used in a Geological Survey. Those weren't even in the Army.
The bulk of the records are for "traditional" units. There were other uses. Doesn't mean it didn't go to a Cavalry unit - just means they used Carbines for many things.
I guess you could get a total count for the Cavalry units and see how many would fill their need. Then say the rest of the 10,000 were the other uses. That's probably somewhat true but not completely. That would mean the earlier the carbine the more likely it went to Cavalry. Range is roughly 25,000 to 35,000 so you see where your gun sits. Again, that's not a fixed though as the guns weren't in serial order.
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That's a thread minus the threadjacker 2000.
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