SRS Check Request 1896 Krag Carbine R. Rider? 32809

[butlersrangers]

The U. S. 93rd Infantry Division (Colored), during WW1, included the 369th, 370th, 371st, and 372nd Regiments, I believe. Their patch design was influenced by the blue French 'Adrian' helmets that they wore.

[Rick the Librarian]

In my opinion, one of the worst acts of discrimination was the conversion of the (Black) 9th and 10th Cavalry regiments to stevedore units in WWII.

In another case on of the few Black officers, Lt. Col. Charles Young, was "retired" for medical reasons shortly before WWI. It was unjustified, because Young rode a horse a very extended distance to show how fit he was.

While I am no fan of the current "civil rights" leaders and philosophy going around today, treatment of Black soldiers is a blot on the honor of our military services that will never go away.

[butlersrangers]

Well said, Rick.
I recall reading about 'a line' being painted on the decks of a SAW transport ship. White and Black soldiers, who were on friendly terms at their post in Montana, could not visit aboard the transport. Not all men were blind to injustice. It bothered them and they wrote about it.

[Dick Hosmer]

Another blot on our history is the Japanese-American resettlement camps. I have come to know a few of the internees, and they at least are wonderful people - some bitter, some not so much, but all scarred.

I totally abhor today's utterly ridiculous, tail wagging the dog, level of PC-ness, but there were some wrongs that needed to be called out and condemned. The proper course, as in nearly all of life, lies somewhere in the middle. Hopefully the pendulum will come to rest some day.

[Rick the Librarian]

Precisely my point, Dick ... I am NOT holding up today's skewed PC B.S., either.

Our next-door neighbors were J/A and they spent the war in an internment camp while the wife's brothers, three of them, were in the Army. They were (and still are) "family" - they took care of my mother over the years and in her last illness and I was given the honor of giving the husband's eulogy at his funeral.

[5MadFarmers]

In another case on of the few Black officers, Lt. Col. Charles Young, was "retired" for medical reasons shortly before WWI. It was unjustified, because Young rode a horse a very extended distance to show how fit he was.

"It was unjustified." Those aren't hindsight glasses you're wearing, they're nonsense glasses. How would you know if it was justified for not? From that snippet I gather they probably waited longer than they should have.

"was "retired" for medical reasons"

What specifically was the reason? We don't even need to know. What that indicates is they went through the process of retiring him. What did he do? File an appeal? Get a second medical opinion? No, that's not what you're claiming he did:

"because Young rode a horse a very extended distance to show how fit he was."

He rode a horse. "Look fellas, I'm ok, I'm just fine, I can ride a horse!"

Sounds like they waited too long.

[Shooter5]

Almost forgot. 32827 is the closest listing that I found - 10th Cav, FWIW (which isn't much - only hits count).

Grenades and artillery beg to differ.

[Shooter5]

The French, among many others including the relatively few enlightened Americans, were shocked at the US for its bigotry and prejudice. Read up on the heroics of Eugene Bullard to see how far it extended. The US has had a lot of things it could have done better and sooner but even after WW2, Mr Bullard was mistreated by the US military. De Gaulle invited him to the Arch de Triomphe in the 1950s and still President Eisenhower on down could not and did not see fit to do the right thing.

http://www.dodlive.mil/index.php/201...ro-during-wwi/

http://www.amazon.com/Eugene-Bullard.../dp/158838280X

El Caney was recently studied by US archaeologists.

http://www.buffalosoldiers-washingto...t%20Report.jpg

http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/local...41ba3ca73.html

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I have read an account by a Northern Michigan N.G. Volunteer, who witnessed the storming of El Chaney (Santiago, Cuba) by Black U. S. Regular Infantry. "It was the bravest thing he ever saw"! They were the first into that fortification and captured the Spanish Colors, only to have them taken away by the officer of a white regiment, who wanted the 'Honor' for his men.
Probably one of the greatest slights was during WW-1, when U. S. Black soldiers had to serve under the French Flag and French Officers, in order to get into combat.

[Dick Hosmer]

Grenades and artillery beg to differ.

Absolutely true, but also, completely unrelated to the point at hand. Even consecutive-numbered weapons could have had entirely different histories.

[5MadFarmers]

In my opinion, one of the worst acts of discrimination was the conversion of the (Black) 9th and 10th Cavalry regiments to stevedore units in WWII.

At first blush this one would slide through unnoticed. It looks well assembled. Upon a bit of poking though cracks in this appear. Then the entire veneer comes apart.

The wife worked with a lady and I had the opportunity to correspond with her father. About his service in WW2. Very early in the war he was drafted. He'd attended the University and was working as a school teacher when drafted. After a bit of time in the service he attended OCS and was commissioned. Thence to France where he commanded a QM truck company.

What an affront. That's an affront that will forever besmirch the honor of the US Military. See, I can play "false affrontry" as a hobby too. How'd I do?

treatment of Black soldiers is a blot on the honor of our military services that will never go away.

Just playing to the theme.

The picture of those forlorn cavalry troopers toiling away loading and ships daily, perhaps sweating profusely and having visions of the days when they rode their horses in parades, is evocative. It's also nonsense. The great bulk of the blacks drafted served in various QM units. Whether that's fair or unfair is immaterial to the fact that large numbers of blacks were going to be entering the US military machine. Who'd lead them?

I suspect you have your answer. So painted one way we get a vision of them loading boxes all day. Painted another we get the vision of the military needing Sergeants and that ilk for those units. Which do you believe is the more likely reality?

Having them in those roles meant they didn't get the wonderful chance to play shoot 'em up with the Germans. If that's true for them it's true for the dude I mentioned. Oh the humanity of it all.

As I was typing this I got to wondering: "how did this thread turn into what it did? The great feel sorry for the ill-understood alleged wrongs of history."

I then walked back through the posts. #7 started it. Who posted that?

Aw, I see it now.