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  1. Again, with the exception of the handguards put...

    Again, with the exception of the handguards put on the factory parked guns, all W handguards were believed to have been produced as replacement parts.
    Therefore, a W marked handguard is only...
  2. In a word, NO

    In a word, NO
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    I think it is the right type of buttplate but...

    I think it is the right type of buttplate but almost certainly not original to the gun. The factory fitted them perfectly.
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    Looks correct to me. How is the fit to the stock

    Looks correct to me. How is the fit to the stock
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    post a pic of what is on there and we will advise

    post a pic of what is on there and we will advise
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    You need to worry about Canada. Leave the combat...

    You need to worry about Canada. Leave the combat shotguns to us.
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    Give it a rest. Shotguns have been used in war...

    Give it a rest. Shotguns have been used in war since 1917.
    They are still in inventory as COMBAT WEAPONS.
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    Umm. NO. Shotguns are NOT illegal for combat. In...

    Umm. NO. Shotguns are NOT illegal for combat. In fact used extensively in WWI, used extensively in the Pacific theatre in WWII, Used extensively in Vietnam. Wherever you got that info, send it back....
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    By serial it could be a commercial, but nothing...

    By serial it could be a commercial, but nothing with that serial would be wearing a WWI "Pat applied for" adapter. I also doubt it was made in 1920. The Maadis book is way off. More like 1925-30 in...
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    Doubtful but anything is possible.

    Doubtful but anything is possible.
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    Military

    Military
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    I got one that was complete.

    I got one that was complete.
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    FAKE (in my opinion). There are guys on each...

    FAKE (in my opinion).
    There are guys on each coast that make fake trenchguns. Looks like the work of the guy on the West coast.
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    There is one born every minute. Meanwhile there...

    There is one born every minute.
    Meanwhile there is a guy asking $2700 for a Norinco "Trench Gun".
  15. The W mark actually started because the armorers...

    The W mark actually started because the armorers were mixing up the REPLACEMENT adapters. The OD of the barrels was different for the different makes.
    My information is that all of the W adapters...
  16. Thread: m 12 trench gun

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    Gotcha

    Gotcha
  17. Thread: m 12 trench gun

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    So first of all you mentioned the markings not...

    So first of all you mentioned the markings not being perfect. Second, as you know the last blued gun was made before the first parked gun was made, we know that from serial numbers. So if you have a...
  18. Thread: m 12 trench gun

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    The W on the adapter on the 97 is wrong. They did...

    The W on the adapter on the 97 is wrong. They did not start marking them until the 97 was out of production.

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    On the M12, it is factory Parked with a coat of dried...
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    Rick Crozier sells amazing guns. It is going to...

    Rick Crozier sells amazing guns.
    It is going to bring astronomical money
  20. Thread: Jump on it!

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    Is there documentation with it? There is a local...

    Is there documentation with it?
    There is a local guy who stamps stuff in the same way.
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    Yes, that is the post. No there is no way to...

    Yes, that is the post.
    No there is no way to know who did the work.
    What you have is a shooter not a collector, so just enjoy it as such.
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    Most likely cut down. There were records of two...

    Most likely cut down. There were records of two "riot" guns that apparently were shipped without adapters, but if memory serves there were actually 22"?
    AFAIK in 40 years of collecting there are no...
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    The wood is the same on all the 30" guns of the...

    The wood is the same on all the 30" guns of the era, even post War.
    The barrel was probably installed by a gunsmith. It is not that unusual for barrels to be swapped in the military, but in these...
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    473754737647377 Here is my unmolested gun from...

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    Here is my unmolested gun from the same batch
    You are quite correct about the barrel, it is NOT original to the gun.
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    Quite possible, and that would not be factory...

    Quite possible, and that would not be factory based on what I have observed.
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