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jon_norstog
01-01-2022, 12:26
Hunters, farmers, ranchers and firefighters have to deal with it
jn
Personally, if given a choice, I'd prefer the temperature to go up rather than down.
Personally, if given a choice, I'd prefer the temperature to go up rather than down.
Not much choice this time of year. It is going down and will continue to go down till about March then start heating up again.
we are just blips or hiccups in the history of the world,
to think we can influence Mother Nature that much is just arrogance
If the government can change the hours of daylight, why not
change the length of seasons and make winter shorter and summer longer ?
jon_norstog
01-01-2022, 10:25
C'mon guys, this some serious s**t. You hunt, you gotta know this
jn
Yup, dress for the weather even if the weather isn't awful just this minute. Or stay hydrated when it gets hot. Stay hydrated all the time. We're talking water now.
Johnny P
01-02-2022, 01:59
Things have been warming for the last 23,000 years when the glacier started retreating off Indiana. Whatever the U.S. does is countered by India and China.
Roadkingtrax
01-02-2022, 03:11
C'mon guys, this some serious s**t. You hunt, you gotta know this
jn
The winters are not what they were 30 or 40 years ago.
Johnny P
01-02-2022, 05:37
The winters are not what they were 30 or 40 years ago.
That was 22,960 or 22970 years since the glaciers started receding.
The winters are not what they were 30 or 40 years ago.
um,, they have been here,
we vary between warmish to damn near frigid,
this year has been warm
last year some snow, nothing big
year before, much much snow,
and that cycle goes back as long as I can remember,
Johnny P
01-03-2022, 04:15
February 2021 was the coldest it had been around here in over a century. Nothing warm about that.
one shot
01-03-2022, 04:53
What cycle are you in today Lyman , I'm in the ice age for a while .
Fairbanks, AK was 35 below last wk. They show the record as -52 but I remember -60 when I was a kid. Maybe it is getting warmer.
What cycle are you in today Lyman , I'm in the ice age for a while .
went from 60's and shorts this weekend, to 30's and 4" or so of snow today,
cold tonight,, then a slight warm up the rest of the week,
I bought a new snow blower in November and if the long range forecast is correct, I may not get to use it this winter.
We will have an over abundance of bugs next spring that normally do not survive a normal winter. I suppose that is good news for the birds.
Vern Humphrey
01-04-2022, 08:33
I just looked out the window, and my pasture is covered with Global Warming <tm>.:icon_wink:
Antarctica use to be covered with palm trees.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ancient-climate-change-meant-antarctica-was-once-covered-with-palm-trees-12098835/
Rising sea levels due to the glacers melting? The Earth was once covered with water. Sea shell fossils are found in the deserts.
The earth seems to be following the path of Mars which at one time (about 400 millions years ago) would have been known as the "blue planet" since it too was covered by water. Now look at it and no signs yet that there was ever farting martians or farting cows there that caused it.
That was the problem with Mars, it didn't have anyone who could fix it. We have democrats.
The water didn't move, the earth did. Things were much more "incomplete" a few billion years ago.
Winter storm just passed through. Happens every year, some years worse than others.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/winter-weather-interstate-shutdown/2022/01/04/id/1050899/
Europe is having a worse time.
https://news.yahoo.com/frozen-ship-delivers-ice-covered-210234364.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Freezing temps here along the hot Gulf Coast too into Florida, as always this time of the year and our coldest month is Feb.
That was the problem with Mars, it didn't have anyone who could fix it. We have democrats.
And democrats claim cow farts (only) cause global warming.
Look at what the martians did to their planet. They are pictured as having huge heads, perhaps that's because they need to fart real bad but aren't allowed to.
one shot
01-04-2022, 06:49
https://youtu.be/2fJZPr0rEVw
..aand that's the end of this discussion.
The climate has been changing for billions of years. Why would it stop changing now?
The only thing that has changed is the discovery of how to make money from such BS.
Isn't it ironic that ONLY democrats and liberals globally push for this money making scheme ?
How does money cool off the climate?
If money could make a difference then why hasn't it? Where did all the billions of tax dollars already paid go? Why no accountability of the money and the usage?
Climate control specialist now hiring: big money for doing nothing. Just ask Greta, the 16 year old "expert". No experience needed and the more the better.
https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money
Like I've said; we ought to launch a rocket with $500 million on it into the sun. That might appease the sun god. Probably do about as much good.
I'm thinking about Easter Island. A lot of effort for what result?
The place is getting warmer. A hundred thousand tons of crap in the air doesn't help but whatera gonna do. We can all go Mennonite. Actually, they seem pretty happy.
We can't all go Mennonite, that would ruin it.
we are just blips or hiccups in the history of the world,
to think we can influence Mother Nature that much is just arrogance
Google the phrase "climate change us map" and your cup will runneth over with data showing how things are changing across the country.
If not mistaken you are living in an area that has not experienced much in the way of temperature increases. But surely you can read a map and gain some glimpse of what is happening elsewhere.
The climate has been changing for billions of years. Why would it stop changing now?
It's the rate of change and the associated disruption. Nobody knows how it ends, and in some regions changes are already coming faster than societies can adapt. And the pace is accelerating.
Oh, those rising seas from all the glaciers melting. This just in.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/treasure-trove-2-000-fossils-190000947.html
It's the rate of change and the associated disruption. Nobody knows how it ends, and in some regions changes are already coming faster than societies can adapt. And the pace is accelerating.
show us proof?
weather stats have not been reliable past 150 yrs or so ago,
show us proof?
weather stats have not been reliable past 150 yrs or so ago,
You declared yourself beyond proof remember?
I asked you once if there was anything that would cause you to believe in climate change, and you said "no".
So you're not worth the legwork right now. If the subject doesn't interest you enough to lift a finger, nothing anyone else does will change that.
Nonetheless,
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
Contrary to your belief, we've had a handle on temperature, time and date measurements for a long time now.
you were unable to provide any,
as an example,, where does the money go when I ship UPS and select the green option?
does Mother Nature have a Paypal account for those carbon credits?
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You declared yourself beyond proof remember?
I asked you once if there was anything that would cause you to believe in climate change, and you said "no".
So you're not worth the legwork right now. If the subject doesn't interest you enough to lift a finger, nothing anyone else does will change that.
Nonetheless,
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
Contrary to your belief, we've had a handle on temperature, time and date measurements for a long time now.
a long time now,,,,:icon_lol:
you were unable to provide any,
as an example,, where does the money go when I ship UPS and select the green option?
does Mother Nature have a Paypal account for those carbon credits?
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a long time now,,,,:icon_lol:
Look, we'd all love it if you were right and the climate wasn't changing. But it's a physical system, which means it can be physically measured, studied.
So, do you have an affirmative case for your position, based on solid measurements and mathematics, that the climate is not undergoing a sudden (in geologic terms) shift?
In other words why should anyone believe you over what they see with their own eyes?
I'm not interested in conspiracy theory style distractions which have no bearing on what is actually happening outside. Let's stick to physical data OK?
Look, we'd all love it if you were right and the climate wasn't changing. But it's a physical system, which means it can be physically measured, studied.
So, do you have an affirmative case for your position, based on solid measurements and mathematics, that the climate is not undergoing a sudden (in geologic terms) shift?
In other words why should anyone believe you over what they see with their own eyes?
I'm not interested in conspiracy theory style distractions which have no bearing on what is actually happening outside. Let's stick to physical data OK?
you claim to be a numbers guy, you should be able to see for yourself
however , you are blinded by the policies and beliefs you must adhere to , so you can stay in the good graces of your party's masters
you claim to be a numbers guy, you should be able to see for yourself
however , you are blinded by the policies and beliefs you must adhere to , so you can stay in the good graces of your party's masters
You're not giving me anything.
The numbers I see say something big is going on! Do you have contrary numbers or not?
It's a physical system, able to be measured, and it's perfectly reasonable to discuss it that way.
Conspiracy questions about the meaning behind UPS optional green energy surcharges have nothing to tell us about what is actually going on out there.
At some point you have to offer a direct affirmative argument for your position, based in science. Saying "nope...nope...nope" etc. requires no knowledge whatsoever.
You're not giving me anything.
The numbers I see say something big is going on! Do you have contrary numbers or not?
It's a physical system, able to be measured, and it's perfectly reasonable to discuss it that way.
Conspiracy questions about the meaning behind UPS optional green energy surcharges have nothing to tell us about what is actually going on out there.
At some point you have to offer a direct affirmative argument for your position, based in science. Saying "nope...nope...nope" etc. requires no knowledge whatsoever.
wtf would I give you a thing?
science says we have been here how long?
and how many years has early been around?
and how many years between major environmental events?
time since last Ice age?
again, you assume , based on towing the party line, that we humans are evil, yet refuse to actually look at any facts,
wtf would I give you a thing?
science says we have been here how long?
and how many years has early been around?
and how many years between major environmental events?
time since last Ice age?
again, you assume , based on towing the party line, that we humans are evil, yet refuse to actually look at any facts,
You certainly refuse to offer up any facts to support your conclusion that in fact nothing is going on out there.
That's not on me.
The analogy here, from my perspective, is that we are in a dispute over the conditions in a particular barreled action, which I report as having some case head separation problems in addition to being an inaccurate shooter. When I suggest we gauge the headspace and throat, you push back that gauges are untrustworthy, a scam put out there to sell more gizmos, that the ammo in question is known to be inaccurate and that their cases run short with suspect brass, and that everyone knows that headspace is never an issue, plus these barrels are poor shooters, always have been.
And meanwhile I'm left wondering why we can't just gauge the action and have a straightforward discussion about what those gauges tell us.
You certainly refuse to offer up any facts to support your conclusion that in fact nothing is going on out there.
That's not on me.
The analogy here, from my perspective, is that we are in a dispute over the conditions in a particular barreled action, which I report as having some case head separation problems in addition to being an inaccurate shooter. When I suggest we gauge the headspace and throat, you push back that gauges are untrustworthy, a scam put out there to sell more gizmos, that the ammo in question is known to be inaccurate and that their cases run short with suspect brass, and that everyone knows that headspace is never an issue, plus these barrels are poor shooters, always have been.
And meanwhile I'm left wondering why we can't just gauge the action and have a straightforward discussion about what those gauges tell us.
how long do you plan on playing the obtuse game?
go talk to Guffey about headspace , yall will get along nicely
Johnny P
01-09-2022, 01:52
Actually, in some countries they are breeding much faster than they can grow enough to feed the offspring.
how long do you plan on playing the obtuse game?
go talk to Guffey about headspace , yall will get along nicely
It was an analogy. And a good one, IMO.
There's a saying,
"In God we trust, all others bring data!"
If you are in fact unwilling/unable to bring data to back up your claim that the climate is in fact stable, then there's really no way to distinguish it from hot air. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but we're talking about real world things that can be physically measured. Your intuition about climate change counts for nothing against hard data.
It was an analogy. And a good one, IMO.
There's a saying,
"In God we trust, all others bring data!"
If you are in fact unwilling/unable to bring data to back up your claim that the climate is in fact stable, then there's really no way to distinguish it from hot air. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but we're talking about real world things that can be physically measured. Your intuition about climate change counts for nothing against hard data.
the data is plentiful,
you are just blinded by your party line and cannot see it,
as I have said in the past,,
does Mother Nature have a bank account?
where are carbon credits deposited?
is algore jealous since you switched your allegiance to Fauci?
think about it this way,
your party can't decide if we are going to freeze to death or burn up , (look at the history in just the past 50 yrs)
global warming, oops nope, Global cooling,, um another oops, so lets call it climate change just to cover our arses,
didja find guffey yet?
Do you have a data set that is the basis for your position or not?
If so, can you produce it?
I'm not interested in X-Files style arguments.
Two yes/no questions for your consideration.
Do you have a data set that is the basis for your position or not?
If so, can you produce it?
I'm not interested in X-Files style arguments.
Two yes/no questions for your consideration.
instead of pushing for data sets and other word salad BS that you think makes you look smart, how about going back and doing a simple re read of what was posted,
then you may understand,, (doubt it) that there is not X file, gas liight, insert whatever words here make you feel smarter than the avg bear,,,,
when you can answer the simple questions I have asked, then the discussion may go some where, but as it stands, you cannot,
twist turn and dance around them , you can do that all day, provide an answer, not seen it happen yet
I get that you see yourself as more an internet poet than a science guy, but I can't say I follow your reasoning that numbers don't matter.
One doesn't need a PhD to be in the grocery biz, but the numbers still count. If "climate change" comes to the freezer units, someone better figure that out quick and call the repairman. (Hint: ice, melting in unexpected quantities. Sound familiar?) And even applying a bit of smarts to the daily tedium of inventory management: count pallets, or cases, if one can, instead of individual packages. The idea really is not that different from what scientists do: count stuff, take measurements, look for trends, get good #s. Persistent undercounts of Mexican Coca-Cola? Colt 45? Maybe we need to check the security cameras. Even in an era of barcodes and computers, someone still has to do it right.
No matter how long you stay Fox Mulder on this, I'm going to stick with a data-oriented approach that tries to cut through the BS. Arguing that the UPS green fuel option somehow disproves climate change might be one of the loopiest things I have seen in a long time. Sorry, but it's true.
You're determined to talk about "climate change FEELINGS" instead of the actual phenomenon. That is not a subject that interests me.
I get that you see yourself as more an internet poet than a science guy, but I can't say I follow your reasoning that numbers don't matter.
One doesn't need a PhD to be in the grocery biz, but the numbers still count. If "climate change" comes to the freezer units, someone better figure that out quick and call the repairman. (Hint: ice, melting in unexpected quantities. Sound familiar?) And even applying a bit of smarts to the daily tedium of inventory management: count pallets, or cases, if one can, instead of individual packages. The idea really is not that different from what scientists do: count stuff, take measurements, look for trends, get good #s. Persistent undercounts of Mexican Coca-Cola? Colt 45? Maybe we need to check the security cameras. Even in an era of barcodes and computers, someone still has to do it right.
No matter how long you stay Fox Mulder on this, I'm going to stick with a data-oriented approach that tries to cut through the BS. Arguing that the UPS green fuel option somehow disproves climate change might be one of the loopiest things I have seen in a long time. Sorry, but it's true.
You're determined to talk about "climate change FEELINGS" instead of the actual phenomenon. That is not a subject that interests me.
please continue down your path of increasing reaching and assorted BS,
you still cannot account for the simple questions (nor apparently comprehend or answer them) that has been asked ad nauseum,
you want loopy?
read your posts,
great for a chuckle
one shot
01-10-2022, 02:55
You may try one of these cut mine out of the christmas tree https://youtu.be/m_MNWLyqtbg
please continue down your path of increasing reaching and assorted BS,
you still cannot account for the simple questions (nor apparently comprehend or answer them) that has been asked ad nauseum,
you want loopy?
read your posts,
great for a chuckle
You ask a bunch of screwy questions as we both knew you would, that have no direct bearing on what is happening outside.
We also know that I could post link after link and you'd go nope...nope...nope.
You're living in your own personal X-files fantasy about how the world works, and blind to the simple things staring you in the face, such as this:
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-and-global-temperature
I'll offer you a wager, that 2022 is among the 5 hottest on US record. You in, Fox?
You ask a bunch of screwy questions as we both knew you would, that have no direct bearing on what is happening outside.
We also know that I could post link after link and you'd go nope...nope...nope.
You're living in your own personal X-files fantasy about how the world works, and blind to the simple things staring you in the face, such as this:
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-and-global-temperature
I'll offer you a wager, that 2022 is among the 5 hottest on US record. You in, Fox?
I asked you to answer 2 simple questions,,
those 2 are basically taxes on services, so where does that money go, and how does it help Climate Change (assuming it exists in the many you believe)
you duck, dodge, change, twist, turn, and go around the world including dismissing the questions as silly and loopy, and then attempt to equate some made up scenario in a business I was in that you have not a clue about, (obvious from many of your past posts) that comes across as both patronizing , and quite honestly, trolling,
and a fascination with a 90's TV show about Aliens,,,,
and you are back to the personal insults about my own fantasy world, which I have proven time and again is more grounded, then just about anything you have ever experienced,, time and time again,
yet you continue to troll
and are yet too arrogant to realize that in your last sentence , quoted above, that you proved one of my basic points,
and my dismissing you , esp in this way, will just make you angry,
so you will make some flippant comment about lectures, dad isms, and start playing the victim,
then once I dismiss those silly comments, you will cry and play victim,
them, since you have to have the last dig, you will make some snarky BS quip, and this thread will get locked,
so then, the world, can see once again, how much of the troll of CSP you still are,
you are up
Discussions about climate change services are, at best, highly derived from the actual subject of climate change, and at worst, completely irrelevant to the topic.
You treat the subject as a topic of subjective opinion, as if belief or not was somehow affected what happens out there. At the same time, you stubbornly refuse to consider the topic from the angle of actual measurements.
Well they are measuring things, and the trends are all pointing towards more energy in the environment. Energy shows up in temperature, but also in flow. These bigger storms we are seeing in off-seasons. In the past there isn't energy for them. Now, there is.
To me the idea that we ignore the physical data is incomprehensible. To you, it's necessary.
But, if I expect you to talk about things on my side of the divide, I suppose I can comment on things on your side.
So for price surcharges, or "carbon neutral" claims in general. This I know a little bit about from a past consulting gig. Big electricity consumers can purchase it wholesale from various producers. Some utilities offer "green" options, say to purchase wind or biomass or whatever fuel at contract prices that are above spot rates. Useful as a market signal to "produce more of that kind of electricity", and hence the sort of arrangement that could see a customer surcharge. As for carbon neutral, or carbon credits, undoubtedly a lot of funny accounting going on. Look at the EU, cutting down whole forests not that far from you (Carolinas) to score themselves as "green". Ridiculous and if not mistaken something to look at.
But these things themselves, I hope you can understand, are separate from the physics of the situation, what excess carbon in the atmosphere (and oceans) is doing to our environment. Physics doesn't care about opinions.
To the extent that you dismiss the physical measurements as all part of a vast conspiracy, that's where I think you are channeling Fox Mulder.
I would say at this point you are overdue to take a serious look at some hard climate data and not just wave it off.
Ball's in your court.
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salad
next step
just words that ignore question and make the side that cannot win,, since they cannot answer the questions, thus always doubt , feel better and allow their ego to continue stroking itself,
I'm not ignoring a thing btw,, just enjoying watching you go on and on
When I try to read about carbon credits ect. my eyes start to go out of focus. Why would the EU cut down a forest to score green? How is the EU close to the Carolinas? Glacial and "interglacial" (when it is getting warmer) periods take place like clockwork it seems. And from what I've read we are in a cooling period right now, which ignited the earlier prediction that we were headed for an ice age (1970's). But it's human CO2 production that is holding everything up...so far. So, if this is true we will still be covered in ice, but it might take 65K yrs. instead of just 60K. So it will be cold AND polluted. Just me talking, not real detailed.
When I try to read about carbon credits ect. my eyes start to go out of focus. Why would the EU cut down a forest to score green? How is the EU close to the Carolinas? Glacial and "interglacial" (when it is getting warmer) periods take place like clockwork it seems. And from what I've read we are in a cooling period right now, which ignited the earlier prediction that we were headed for an ice age (1970's). But it's human CO2 production that is holding everything up...so far. So, if this is true we will still be covered in ice, but it might take 65K yrs. instead of just 60K. So it will be cold AND polluted. Just me talking, not real detailed.
but you make more sense than Greta, togor and their ilk,,,,,,
Lyman,
Indeed on climate change you are a troll, incapable of substantial discussion. Wear it like a badge if you like. I care not, and neither does the climate.
Locking this thread.
If someone else wants to start fresh discussion, feel free.
Lyman,
Indeed on climate change you are a troll, incapable of substantial discussion. Wear it like a badge if you like. I care not, and neither does the climate.
Locking this thread.
If someone else wants to start fresh discussion, feel free.
following the mantra,
now the troll calls me the troll,
next,,,
Had to unlock a pointless thread just to try another dig.
Who did not see that coming.
Had to unlock a pointless thread just to try another dig.
Who did not see that coming.
you are almost there,
one of 2 steps to go,
Mentioned to a friend, your claim that the UPS website disproves climate change.
Came back the question: how is this not a complete waste of time?
How indeed.
Later!
PS: that claim is a keeper.
Mentioned to a friend, your claim that the UPS website disproves climate change.
Came back the question: how is this not a complete waste of time?
How indeed.
Later!
PS: that claim is a keeper.
and one more step to go,
and guessing your friend either is as vapid as you or you spoke out of context,
show me where I said the UPS website disproves anything?
I simply asked where that money went and how it would stop climate change,
that was the original question, , you have still failed to answer
danced around it,
twisted and turned it,
hid it in a corner,
yes, you have done all that,
but not a word on how UPS fees, or Carbon Credits, do a thing or where they go? or how they benefit anything,,,,
Careful, he'll lock the thread again in order to get the last word in.
Careful, he'll lock the thread again in order to get the last word in.
i can unlock,
not sure why he locked it, (well, actually I do know,, but that's another thread topic)
since he does no other moderator duties,
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