View Full Version : Warning. Least desireable ammo to purchase. Opinion
Picked this crap up from CMP a few years ago and added a few cans to the stash. After hearing some folks had bad results, I set it aside.
Well, yesterday my concerns were justified. Shot 100 rnds though a few different rifles. 90% or more developed neck splits and a few cartridges didn't even have primers in the empty pockets. At 100 yds there was a variation in 7 inches vertically. Absolute worse junk I have ever used. Made the old Egyptian garbage seem like GMM.
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After a little thought, very little, there are 800+ rnds on the way to the collet puller. Soon to become re-loading components minus the brass and primers.
Just pulled down 100 rnds and the reason for inaccuracy is quite evident. Not sure what the power is but load varied almost 4 gr, from 37.9 to 41.8 with the majority around 41.4.
Roadkingtrax
02-25-2020, 08:32
That stuff has damaged a few rifles at CMP matches back in the day. I had major case head separation personally. I would not shoot it as is.
I have some I plan to tear down, any info on what powder they used? Just add to the flower bed I suppose.
Had a gentleman that live close by the producer and he claims that they were using Varget. Load weight would indicate the possibility. I plan on re-using the bullets and powder in good brass and load per Varget seeing that's my favorite powder anyway.
Had a gentleman that live close by the producer and he claims that they were using Varget. Load weight would indicate the possibility. I plan on re-using the bullets and powder in good brass and load per Varget seeing that's my favorite powder anyway.
I know you already know this,
but be careful and start with a lighter load and work up,
I know you already know this,
but be careful and start with a lighter load and work up,
Rgr, will do. Thanks
Hornady puller does a nice clean job for my purposes.
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Roadkingtrax
02-25-2020, 04:43
Still thinking Varget?
Still thinking Varget?
Sure does look like it.
digging those LED's you have on that CoAx
digging those LED's you have on that CoAx
A little extra light on the subject helps as the eyes get older and finger pinches take longer to heal.
A little extra light on the subject helps as the eyes get older and finger pinches take longer to heal.
very true!!
mind sharing where you got them?
Worked on breaking down 600 rnds of this junk today. Great way to spend a couple of hours.
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Separated out a few of the different head stamps.
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very true!!
mind sharing where you got them?
This place has all sorts of goodies for the Forster co-ax. I picked up the LEDs,roller bearing right angle handle and the offset linkage.
https://inlinefabrication.com/collections/forster-co-ax
Roadkingtrax
02-26-2020, 12:58
Thanks!!!
Great company InlineFab.
I have their mount for my hornady press. Brings everything up to a standing height.
barretcreek
02-26-2020, 02:26
Wally World had some of that and just couldn't buy it even though all the details said yeah.
Great company InlineFab.
I have their mount for my hornady press. Brings everything up to a standing height.
I took some angle iron and sheet metal (well, actually plate) and made a strong mount for my Co Ax to bring it up as high as my Dillon (on strong mount)
those lights will come in handy
What about the split necks? Suppose the mfr. skipped annealing?
What about the split necks? Suppose the mfr. skipped annealing?
This junk was all made with previously fired military brass so annealing should not have been the problem. Chances are it had been fired in machine guns with gigantic chambers and ruined before processing.
quite a mix of headstamps as well,
I think the used whatever the " DUMP" truck delivered.
What about the split necks? Suppose the mfr. skipped annealing?
The can indicates the cases were 'once fired'. Does anyone on this forum have a barrel with a machinegun chamber? Or a machinegun barrel installed on a bolt rifle? Barrels? I believe I have 6.
Split necks? I have disagreed before, the time to stop shooting this ammo was immediately after discovering the first problem with the necks.
F. Guffey
The can indicates the cases were 'once fired'. Does anyone on this forum have a barrel with a machinegun chamber? Or a machinegun barrel installed on a bolt rifle? Barrels? I believe I have 6.
Split necks? I have disagreed before, the time to stop shooting this ammo was immediately after discovering the first problem with the necks.
F. Guffey
Exactomundo.
Split necks also suggests brittle brass from multiple reloads without annealing. Brass that’s been properly annealed can be fired multiple times without problems. I have reloaded every round that I shoot and I always examine each ejected case for signs of trouble before chambering the next round. It can be dangerous to shoot ammo that someone else has reloaded since you don’t know if the case was properly sized and annealed, what kind of powder that was used and whether the proper powder amount was used (unless, of course, you do it yourself). Too many unknown variables.
Carbine64
04-30-2020, 06:01
We had three cans of this,picked it up at Camp Perry.My wife wanted a 308 special from the north store,and they had this in stock.She shot about 100 rounds with no problems.Our son was about 15 and also shot about 460 rounds through his M1a1. Then it happened a funny like bang and a lot of smoke the magazine blew apart and he just put the gun down.We checked the rifle out and it was fine,the magazine after putting it all together works fine.After finding the last case we discovered a head split from the base up a half inch.We pulled all of the rest and tossed all of the brass into scrap bucket.About the same time the reports started to be on the CMP forum.Son was okay but he left the M1a1 in his safe for about 2 years.
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