View Full Version : Once again the US betrays the Kurds
jon_norstog
10-09-2019, 09:30
Yeah, just like the last three times. This time it was against the advice of the military, State Department and the "intelligence community." The Kurds say they will fight. What they always do ... I remember reading articles about them win American Rifleman when I was a kid. Two Migs shot down by ground fire, apparently from Martini-Henrys and Enfields, They were fighting the Russians for us back then. Then we hung them out to dry.
I forget what the next one was all about, but after they were no longer useful we moved on and the enemy moved in.
They helped us during the first Gulf War, then we let Saddam Hussein have his way with them. He used nerve gas that time.
So the President gets a phone call from Erogan and decides, just like that, to pull out the American "advisors" and "observers" that meant an attack on the Kurds was an attack on US troops. That was yesterday. The Turkish army is moving in today with armor, artillery and air support.
Read it and weep https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49983357
Anyone want to bet on the figting spreading into northern Iraq?
jn
The Kurds are basically tribal. They have no country of their own. They've been fighting the Turks and Iraqi's to get one for years.
"...the U.S. betrays the..." Wouldn't be the first time an indigenous ally has been left alone. The Montagnard were abandoned too.
musketshooter
10-09-2019, 10:36
Trump is now an accessory to international genocide.
And for what?
I also wonder what other withdrawals are on the short list. ROK? Northern Europe?
Clark Howard
10-10-2019, 05:54
You fellows seemingly do not remember your dem pals, notably Ted Kennedy, when he led the effort to cut off all military aid to South Vietnam. You don't have any problem dropping the Montagards, who were faithful and true, simply because it suited dem politics. The only reason that you are against pulling support from the Kurds. is that Trump did it. Dems have proven over the years, that they will drop any person or group when it suits their agenda. Obama single-handed the start if ISIS when he backed out of Iraq, leaving a power vacuum that inflated the Caliphate.
So, are the Kurds slow?
They live there. Where are they supposed to go? Last time I checked our quotas for refugees are way down.
"...They live there..." They roam around Eastern Turkey, Northern Syria and Iraq. The Turks are busy bombing the Kurds who live in Syria. All 1.7 million of 'em.
Genocide, kind of like how the U.S. dealt with the North American native tribes in the 19th Century.
jon_norstog
10-10-2019, 10:20
You fellows seemingly do not remember your dem pals, notably Ted Kennedy, when he led the effort to cut off all military aid to South Vietnam. You don't have any problem dropping the Montagards, who were faithful and true, simply because it suited dem politics. The only reason that you are against pulling support from the Kurds. is that Trump did it. Dems have proven over the years, that they will drop any person or group when it suits their agenda. Obama single-handed the start if ISIS when he backed out of Iraq, leaving a power vacuum that inflated the Caliphate.
We did OK by some of the "Montagnards", especially the Hmong who fought for us under the warlord Vang Pao. The Vietnamese hill tribes didn't get the same deal. I imagine some individuals and families made it out others crossed over into Laos or Cambodia. The Nung were a Thai people and could have faded into Lao, Thai or Shan communities pretty easily.
Hmong are a pretty strong community in California central valley, and in Minnesota. They like to hunt.
When it comes top ratf******g allies, it's an equal opportunity game for both parties. Reason I'm bent about the Kurds is because it is happening right now, on my watch.
jn
m1ashooter
10-11-2019, 08:52
The real question is should we have been there in the first place? I do not support the deployment of our sons and daughters for an never ending mission in an area that we have no real concern. If I remember the mission was to kill ISIS. Now it turns out the Kurds have 11,000 of those bastards in prisons. Why aren't they all dead? Are they a bargaining chip? I'm already reading comments of oh no they might get away and start trouble again. 11,000 people can cause a lot of problems.
The real question is should we have been there in the first place?
Exactly. Who in their right mind would volunteer for military service in America now knowing they will just get sent off to some foreign country to fight their never ending wars for them?
Remember when we fought wars to prevent the spread of communism? Now we have them as members of congress and every democrat candidate proudly announces they support socialism.
The intent now is to stop the spread of ISIS. Will they be the next ones in office here or have we already witnessed that with obama?
If we are to spend $1 or lose one soul on foreign soil to keep foreign problems out of America then it should be reinforced to prevent it from occurring here in the first place otherwise it is all in vain.
Exactly. Who in their right mind would volunteer for military service in America now knowing they will just get sent off to some foreign country to fight their never ending wars for them?
Remember when we fought wars to prevent the spread of communism? Now we have them as members of congress and every democrat candidate proudly announces they support socialism.
The intent now is to stop the spread of ISIS. Will they be the next ones in office here or have we already witnessed that with obama?
If we are to spend $1 or lose one soul on foreign soil to keep foreign problems out of America then it should be reinforced to prevent it from occurring here in the first place otherwise it is all in vain.
And on that note Trump is deploying 1500 more troops to Saudi Arabia.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/politics/us-additional-troops-middle-east-iran/index.html
Saudi Arabia can take care of itself. They have more money than sand. Are we now the mercenaries? Or is the old Saud the new Spain?
As predicted the rest of the US forces are pulling out as Turkey enters the war on the side of ISIS.
jon_norstog
10-13-2019, 07:39
Well, this being the middle east and everyone involved being grown-ups, the Kurds have done what was most expedient, given the loss of US support.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50036901
In the land of the double cross, the triple cross and even higher levels of betrayal, what we have done is pretty mu7ch kindergarten lev el.
jn
I'm not taking sides here but we have been in the middle east for many years now and the situation is not improving. There will be no peace till every single one of them is dead and that will never happen unless the world comes to an end.
Kurds might be friendly people, they may be allies. People wanting things usually are easy to get along with though. As mentioned above, they have no country of their own. That makes them invaders wanting what other countries have earned and fought for. Apparently the middle east is not the place for them. Most of Europe will take them with open arms since they have no borders any longer.
In any event, we can't continue to support the whole world.
jon_norstog
10-13-2019, 08:22
Allen, the Kurds have been there a lot longer than any of us has been in what is now the US. They got nowhere else to go. They have been useful allies and are to be admired as fighters.
My own thought is we shouldn't have led them to believe they could count on us. OTOH, who else is there?
jn
Allen, the Kurds have been there a lot longer than any of us has been in what is now the US. They got nowhere else to go. They have been useful allies and are to be admired as fighters.
My own thought is we shouldn't have led them to believe they could count on us. OTOH, who else is there?
jn
true,
they have been around as long as the Turks and others,
they probably should have been given a place to call their own after WW1 when the area was divided up, but for whatever political reason they did not,
Vern Humphrey
10-14-2019, 07:09
true,
they have been around as long as the Turks and others,
they probably should have been given a place to call their own after WW1 when the area was divided up, but for whatever political reason they did not,
The Turks have been there less than a thousand years.
Johnny P
10-14-2019, 08:40
The intent now is to stop the spread of ISIS. Will they be the next ones in office here or have we already witnessed that with obama?
The Democrats will welcome them into the fold. Probably even make them chairman of a committee.
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