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Ken The Kanuck
09-24-2017, 08:38
My favourite aircraft.

KTK:icon_salut:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5_JwVcVeg&feature=youtu.be

John Sukey
09-24-2017, 09:29
B29 and B17

bruce
09-25-2017, 04:43
Once coming back from Warner Robins into Macon Ga. I was passing by the Louis B Wilson Airport which was on my left. I glanced and saw a Lancaster. Shocked to see it. But there it was big as all get out. Have never seen another one. From what I've heard, fine plane. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

Merc
09-25-2017, 05:42
The Confederate Airforce used to bring a B17 and a B24 to the Allegheny County muni airport. For a few hundred dollars, they'll take passengers for a ride over Pittsburgh and for a couple bucks, they'll let you climb around inside both aircraft. What a neat experience. I was inside both and was amazed how small they were compared to what's flying today. A B17 was just here a few weeks ago for a visit but I'm not sure who it belongs to. I live close to the airport and they usually fly over my house at about 1500-2000 feet on their way to the city. The sound those four rotary engines make at full throttle is unmistakable. They fly slow enough to allow me to run outside to see them.

A B17 ran off the end of a runway at the Beaver County airport (near Pittsburgh) many years ago and was badly damaged. It took a couple of years for the aircraft/airframe mechanics from US Airways working as volunteers in their spare time plus dozens of WW2 vets and volunteers to make and install the parts needed to fix the old plane up better than new. A true labor of love. I'll bet there wasn't a dry eye on the ground when she was finally allowed to leave for home.

Ken The Kanuck
09-25-2017, 06:03
B29 and B17

I get shivers just looking at the ball turret on a B17, brave men.:icon_salut:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=b17+ball+turret+gunner+life+expectancy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIwsWxssDWAhVJjlQKHbcXBREQ_AUICigB&biw=1067&bih=513

KTK

Dick Hosmer
09-25-2017, 08:27
I get shivers just looking at the ball turret on a B17, brave men.:icon_salut:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=b17+ball+turret+gunner+life+expectancy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIwsWxssDWAhVJjlQKHbcXBREQ_AUICigB&biw=1067&bih=513

KTK

Plus one, on the ball turret - makes my skin crawl - "brave" is an understatement.

As an aside to the the "small" comment re the B-17, etc., I had occasion, sometime in the 80's, to inspect a B-25 at the Oakland CA airport where we were working at the time. It was parked with the bomb bay doors opened, so I walked over, ducked, and stood up inside. I was stunned, remembering that we routinely put 6 valuable men and several thousand dollars worth of a/c in harm's way to deliver the contents of this? It was like a small clothes closet - not sure what I was expecting, but amazed at what I found. Truly, the "greatest generation" - and we are pissing it all away.

Sunray
09-25-2017, 10:12
"... never seen another one..." Come take a tour of the Canadian Warplane Heritage hangers at Hamilton, Ont. airport. $3500Cdn to take an hour's flight in a Lanc. A Lanc's bomb load made a B-17's look like a picnic basket. 14 x 1,000 pounders vs 8 for a 17. Lotta mixing of ordnance according to the target too.
http://www.lancaster-archive.com/lanc_bomb_loads.htm

snakehunter
09-25-2017, 11:04
Plus one, on the ball turret - makes my skin crawl - "brave" is an understatement.

As an aside to the the "small" comment re the B-17, etc., I had occasion, sometime in the 80's, to inspect a B-25 at the Oakland CA airport where we were working at the time. It was parked with the bomb bay doors opened, so I walked over, ducked, and stood up inside. I was stunned, remembering that we routinely put 6 valuable men and several thousand dollars worth of a/c in harm's way to deliver the contents of this? It was like a small clothes closet - not sure what I was expecting, but amazed at what I found. Truly, the "greatest generation" - and we are pissing it all away.

I was amazed at how small the B-17 was. In the movies the cockpit always looked roomy but when my wife and I sat in it, our shoulders were so close they almost touched. Maybe 6-8 inches apart.

Merc
09-25-2017, 11:49
The progression of US WW2 heavy bombers: The B17 began production in 1936 and was only designed to carry 4000 lbs. of ordnance. The B24 began production in 1940 and carried a payload of 8000 lbs. of ordnance. The B29 began production in 1943 and its payload was 20,000 lbs. of ordnance. They got a lot bigger and carried lot more in just 7 years.

PWC
09-25-2017, 06:51
C-130

While not really a bomber it was used to drop the BLU82s in VN and the MOABs (Mother of All Bombs).

Would like to have a nickel for every mile I've flown in the old 4 engine green garbage hauler. Always returned me, never let me down. Took off 372 tiimes more than I landed with it.

snakehunter
09-26-2017, 05:43
C-130

While not really a bomber it was used to drop the BLU82s in VN and the MOABs (Mother of All Bombs).

Would like to have a nickel for every mile I've flown in the old 4 engine green garbage hauler. Always returned me, never let me down. Took off 372 tiimes more than I landed with it.

I flew in it a lot too when I was a paratrooper. It was the main plane we jumped from.

snakehunter
09-26-2017, 05:46
My favourite aircraft.

KTK:icon_salut:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5_JwVcVeg&feature=youtu.be

My favorite bomber is the Mosquito.

Ken The Kanuck
09-26-2017, 05:57
My favorite bomber is the Mosquito.

The Mossie was a beauty and if I am not mistaken thought by many to be tĥe best aircraft of WWII.

KTK

Tigre_fish
09-26-2017, 05:05
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My uncle was a bombardier/navigator on the NORA2 (he's the one pointing at the plane). Flew 26 combat missions, received two awards of the Legion of Merit, two awards of the Distinguished Flying Cross and four Air Medals. Somewhere I have another picture of the NORA2 and crew, with each man holding up 6 fingers to represent the SIX German fighters the NORA 2 shot down on THAT ONE MISSION. Col. Norbert A Zwicke.

Updated - found the pic with the six fingers up.

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Ken The Kanuck
09-26-2017, 07:58
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My uncle was a bombardier/navigator on the NORA2 (he's the one pointing at the plane). Flew 26 combat missions, received two awards of the Legion of Merit, two awards of the Distinguished Flying Cross and four Air Medals. Somewhere I have another picture of the NORA2 and crew, with each man holding up 6 fingers to represent the SIX German fighters the NORA 2 shot down on THAT ONE MISSION. Col. Norbert A Zwicke.

Updated - found the pic with the six fingers up.

42121

Great post.

Thanks

KTK

Ken The Kanuck
09-26-2017, 08:08
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My uncle was a bombardier/navigator on the NORA2 (he's the one pointing at the plane). Flew 26 combat missions, received two awards of the Legion of Merit, two awards of the Distinguished Flying Cross and four Air Medals. Somewhere I have another picture of the NORA2 and crew, with each man holding up 6 fingers to represent the SIX German fighters the NORA 2 shot down on THAT ONE MISSION. Col. Norbert A Zwicke.

Updated - found the pic with the six fingers up.

42121

Great post.

Thanks

KTK

My Uncle, second from the right. I have his wings.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/30/88/cc308865d1aa7b437f44e175bb270cf6.jpg

snakehunter
09-27-2017, 08:49
The Mossie was a beauty and if I am not mistaken thought by many to be tĥe best aircraft of WWII.

KTK

Well, there were many "best' planes in that war but the Mosquito has to rank at the top or near it. It was as fast or faster than the fighters it faced ( the Germans tried to develop there own version of it), It was multi-mission capable. It had a small crew thereby saving lives. It was cheap and fast to produce AND, best of all it was PUURTY.

barretcreek
09-28-2017, 08:25
Youtube "Old 666". "Nobody wanted to fly it 'cause it always the bleep shot out of it"

snakehunter
09-29-2017, 05:30
Youtube "Old 666". "Nobody wanted to fly it 'cause it always the bleep shot out of it"

The very definition of "Heroes" That crew should have named the old girl "Satan's Child".