Remington OP rods

[PhillipM]

I was thinking over an adult beverage last night about new op rods and realized Remington probably made the best in the 60's and they are still in business.

With all the garands out there and the CMP releasing more each day, and the now real possibility the presumably worn out Korean garands have a shot of coming home, I wonder if Remington possibly still has the tooling to make the NM spec op rod in storage someplace and if they would be willing to manufacture them again.

I know I could send a email to the generic address, probably with the predictable answer of NO, but does anyone know anyone at Remington with enough clout to at least consider the proposal? Maybe someone through the shooting sports would be the way to go?

[RCS]

I think that a company could produce the M1 rifle operating rod if there was enough demand, and could improve it too. Example: the
TRW manufactured M14 operating was one piece ! even the early model shop Garand had a one piece operating rod known as the
weld seam op rod but very difficult to make for the early model shop rifles.

I would doubt Remington would manufacture the M1 operating rod.

Interesting that when the M14 was cancelled, it would have been an excellent time to introduce a new manufactured M14 semi auto
from HRA or Winchester, but Winchester kept it alive somewhat by selling their tooling

[Sunray]

Don't recall Remington ever having anything to do with M1 Rifles or their parts.
"...new manufactured M14 semi auto..." Is an M1A. Sort of. Winchester is owned by FN now too. However, I think most or all M-14 machinery and tooling was sent to Taiwan.

[nf1e]

I thought Remington was out of the military firearms business after the 03-A3 and A4.

[RCS]

You guys should do some research before posting;

reference: Bruce Canfield "The M1 Garand Rifle" page 766 shows Remington manufacture operating rods 1961 - 1969 F7790722 NM RA used
for both NM and rebuild rifles

Remington was also involved and granted a contract for development of a select fire M1 rifle with a detachable magazine known as
the Remington T series starts on page 411 of Canfield's book

[PhillipM]

Don't recall Remington ever having anything to do with M1 Rifles or their parts.
"...new manufactured M14 semi auto..." Is an M1A. Sort of. Winchester is owned by FN now too. However, I think most or all M-14 machinery and tooling was sent to Taiwan.


I thought Remington was out of the military firearms business after the 03-A3 and A4.

38355

[nf1e]

You guys should do some research before posting;

reference: Bruce Canfield "The M1 Garand Rifle" page 766 shows Remington manufacture operating rods 1961 - 1969 F7790722 NM RA used
for both NM and rebuild rifles

Remington was also involved and granted a contract for development of a select fire M1 rifle with a detachable magazine known as
the Remington T series starts on page 411 of Canfield's book

" I thought " in my post, I guess I thought wrong. No big deal especially in an election year.

[5MadFarmers]

I was thinking over an adult beverage last night about new op rods and realized Remington probably made the best in the 60's and they are still in business.

With all the garands out there and the CMP releasing more each day, and the now real possibility the presumably worn out Korean garands have a shot of coming home, I wonder if Remington possibly still has the tooling to make the NM spec op rod in storage someplace and if they would be willing to manufacture them again.


As far as I know the tooling is provided by the government on those contracts. So basically a company's bid is to make the item with the government providing the tools, dies, and jigs. A follow-on contract could be to somebody completely different. That being the case it'd be unlikely Remington has the tooling. Basic tools, yes, but not necessarily the tools used in that contract. The jigs and dies they'd likely not have at all.

Springfield Armory, the company and not the government place, makes M1As right? They should be able to do it but I'm not sure the market is big enough to tool for it.

I guess we rarely see new parts made for old military guns as there are always enough people willing to part them out. An ever diminishing number of them as they're converted to parts for the others. Conversely, with modern computer controlled machinery getting ever cheaper, "cottage industry" might be able to finally handle those niche markets.

[Orlando]

Plenty of good Garand parts still available and prices on parts are lower now than they have been in years, its a buyer market. Out of spec/worn op rods can be rebuilt to new condition. I cant really see a market for them anythime soon

[musketshooter]

I believe these replacement op rods were made at Raritan Arsenal.

[SemperFi, 0321]

You have to remember though, among the younger shooters, the AR15 is king. M-1's and M-14's are obsolete crap, and read what the younger guys have to say on the blogs about 1911's, obsolete crap when compared to the Glock 17.
The weapons of our generation are going by the wayside, most folks don't want to waste time and money tooling up for old weaponry when the future is in AR15 and AR10 style weapons. They modernized the FAL into the SCAR, it hasn't had a big following. All the retro stuff hitting the market like new M-1 carbines is probably mostly going to old farts who never kept one 40 yrs ago, like me. There will be little one man shops who continue on making replacement parts, like for old civil war guns, but the mass market does not lean that way.
Even the new faux Springfield Armory discontinued their M-1 rifle. I doubt they would care to start making op rods.

[nf1e]

Bula Defense Systems in Cleveland is making some high quality parts for the M1 and M14. For the M1 they had barrels and op rods at Camp Perry this year and show gas cylinders, trigger components and bolt components on their web sight.
Gotta keep us old dinosaurs supplied you know.

[PhillipM]

You have to remember though, among the younger shooters, the AR15 is king. M-1's and M-14's are obsolete crap, and read what the younger guys have to say on the blogs about 1911's, obsolete crap when compared to the Glock 17.
The weapons of our generation are going by the wayside, most folks don't want to waste time and money tooling up for old weaponry when the future is in AR15 and AR10 style weapons. They modernized the FAL into the SCAR, it hasn't had a big following. All the retro stuff hitting the market like new M-1 carbines is probably mostly going to old farts who never kept one 40 yrs ago, like me. There will be little one man shops who continue on making replacement parts, like for old civil war guns, but the mass market does not lean that way.
Even the new faux Springfield Armory discontinued their M-1 rifle. I doubt they would care to start making op rods.

SA Inc used USGI componets aside from the barrel and receiver, I have one that came with an SA op rod new from the factory.

Not a day goes by that some newbie pops up on a Garand facebook page asking questions, and while there are some old farts, most are much younger. As the old farts that have been hoarding M1's die off, they will be sold or transferred to younger shooters, except for the odd case of someone wanting to be buried with his M1.

M1's are a fungible product.

[Latigo 1]

Don't recall Remington ever having anything to do with M1 Rifles or their parts.
"...new manufactured M14 semi auto..." Is an M1A. Sort of. Winchester is owned by FN now too. However, I think most or all M-14 machinery and tooling was sent to Taiwan.

We can add Remington op rods to the very long list of things that Sunray doesn't know about M1 Garands (and other things).

[gunny]

SA Inc used USGI componets aside from the barrel and receiver, I have one that came with an SA op rod new from the factory.

Not a day goes by that some newbie pops up on a Garand facebook page asking questions, and while there are some old farts, most are much younger. As the old farts that have been hoarding M1's die off, they will be sold or transferred to younger shooters, except for the odd case of someone wanting to be buried with his M1.

M1's are a fungible product.

Very well said.

Gunny

[JohnF]

As the old farts that have been hoarding M1's die off, they will be sold or transferred to younger shooters, except for the odd case of someone wanting to be buried with his M1.

Hey! Taking along an M1 with a bandoleer of AP might be a good idea as you never know what might be on the other side! :icon_lol:

[nf1e]

Hey! Taking along an M1 with a bandoleer of AP might be a good idea as you never know what might be on the other side! :icon_lol:

Working on that idea. Wonder what would happen in the oven with api.

[psteinmayer]

You have to remember though, among the younger shooters, the AR15 is king. M-1's and M-14's are obsolete crap, and read what the younger guys have to say on the blogs about 1911's, obsolete crap when compared to the Glock 17.

I've fired AR-15's and AK-47's... and even M-14's (when I was in the military), and to be honest, I'll take a Garand any day and twice on Sunday! IMHO, black weapons have no heart or soul. I personally find ARs to be uncomfortable to handle, and not much fun to shoot either! As for the Glocks, you couldn't give me one (ok, you could, but I'd trade it in for something better). They are absolute junk!!! Besides, I'd rather fire one .45 ACP round from a 1911, than have to fire ten 9mm's from a Glock!

[PhillipM]

The admin of a Facebook page on the M1 just hit 19,000 members. I'm sure some have none and some have multiple.