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Picked this up a while ago. Was curious what the board members thought of the markings.
AJ
Pictures are too small to really tell.The "S" in the U.S.M.C. looks wrong.The unit markings inside the flap look legit,outside ?
See if this any better
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/usmc690303/9b15bebf-8440-43d9-bf69-0bdcce32ee0a.jpg
See if this any better
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/usmc690303/9b15bebf-8440-43d9-bf69-0bdcce32ee0a.jpg
Look at the difference in the style of lettering on a genuine piece compared to what you have.You will see that style of seriphed letters on genuine pieces of most vintages of web gear.
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Here are photos of two shovel covers marked to US Navy ships, these are the early WW1 covers and one is marked USMC
more examples but not USMC marked
Pictures are too small to really tell.The "S" in the U.S.M.C. looks wrong.The unit markings inside the flap look legit,outside ?
Look at the difference in the style of lettering on a genuine piece compared to what you have.You will see that style of seriphed letters on genuine pieces of most vintages of web gear.
http://1180017.sites.myregisteredsite.com/wnsop01.jpg
I have seen USMC markings on items with serifs & sans-serifs. I own several books on USMC equipment and uniforms. But not one of them shows any cleaning gear or equipment.
Thanks,
AJ
These USMC marked pouches used to be around a lot but difficult to find now
These USMC marked pouches used to be around a lot but difficult to find now
I have a carbine pouch that is so marked with serifs.
AJ
Do you have any piece of USMC marked equipment with the lettering style like that cleaning rod case?That C6573 number on the back of that case is an Army Ordnance SNL number.As I said the interior markings look real but I seriously doubt the USMC markings are but that's just my opinion.
Join the http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ and post pictures lot of advanced USMC collectors over there including some of the guys who wrote the books.
Do you have any piece of USMC marked equipment with the lettering style like that cleaning rod case?That C6573 number on the back of that case is an Army Ordnance SNL number.As I said the interior markings look real but I seriously doubt the USMC markings are but that's just my opinion.
Join the http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ and post pictures lot of advanced USMC collectors over there including some of the guys who wrote the books.
Did so. I had joined before.
Did so. I had joined before.
And what was the opinion over there on those markings?
And what was the opinion over there on those markings?
None yet.
Just had a response from a dealer of Surplus Parts and Webgear. He stated : The markings were put on by the Marine Corp., not the contract. The maker FAL was Fals Manufacturing in Des Moines, Iowa. The production was from Oct 44 thru Jan 45.
cplnorton
06-23-2014, 05:20
I say it is fine. I've seen many items like that over the years. I have little doubt it's not real.
If you want to sell it, let me know. :)
cplnorton
06-23-2014, 05:30
When I saw the 1st Battalion C Company marking I thought I had something marked that way. I have an officer's bag that is also marked like that.
Granted there were a lot of 1st Battalions, C company, as there would be one in every Regiment pretty much. But I thought it was a neat correlation.
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When I saw the 1st Battalion C Company marking I thought I had something marked that way. I have an officer's bag that is also marked like that.
Granted there were a lot of 1st Battalions, C company, as there would be one in every Regiment pretty much. But I thought it was a neat correlation.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s441/cplnorton3/P1170302.jpg
What is the correct abbreviation for battalion.Your piece is marked "BTL" his cleaning rod case is marked "BTN" or is there any official abbreviation?
What is the correct abbreviation for battalion.Your piece is marked "BTL" his cleaning rod case is marked "BTN" or is there any official abbreviation?
Have seen Battalion abbreviated Bn., BTL., BTN. Usually nowadays it is just BN. Not to sure what would have been correct for 70 years ago.
AJ
This discussion brings back why I quit collecting web gear.LOL
This discussion brings back why I quit collecting web gear.LOL
Probably a good thing for you. LOL
Yea,too much stuff was guaranteed to be authentic when I bought and fake when I sold it.Being raggedy a*s is no guarantee of anything but wear.LMAO I got an 80 year old set of serifed stencils I can make anything I want.
You could run it by Bill Ricca. He's on the Board of Directors of the GCA (garand Collectors Association) and has penned articles for the GCA magazine on the subject of fakery as applied to various military web gear, maintenance tools, etc. His business website: http://billricca.com/
A busy guy, no doubt. But you might get lucky. Heck, he may even post here under some pseudonym. HTH
Perhaps the best thing is to ask the OP why he thinks it might be fake.LOL
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