Presentation Carbine Question

[ncblksmth1]

This last weekend at a show I saw an IBM presentation carbine for sale. Everything looked marvelous but it had a (according to Craig Reisch) type lV op rod. If IBM lost their contract in mid 44 and this was the last gun off the line would that slide be correct. It was indicated that this gun was as it was when it left the line and the finisher. It bothers me.

Bob

[Tuna]

The type 4 slide is correct for that carbine. IBM started about the 3.77 million range using the type 4 and it was used till the end of production. IBM did not make a lot of presentation carbines but seems to have made them about January/February 1944 time frame.

[ncblksmth1]

Are you referring to the type A variation 4?

[jonnyo55]

The thing to remember about presentation carbines is that they were often a hodgepodge of whatever parts were laying around at the time. This time was often towards the end of a given contract, and parts used MAY have been those forwarded by other facilities as parts "donated" under the carbine integration program. They also may have been given as examples to be evaluated.

Any presentation carbine should NOT have any acceptance cartouches ("crossed cannons"), as they were not government property. Usually, wood was selected for grain, and in some cases (RMC?) the sling/oiler cut was omitted. Look for consistency of finish and wear. Obviously, any papers which would provide provenance would be nice...

[Tuna]

Are you referring to the type A variation 4?

Yes if your using WB and type 4 with Riesch.

[jonnyo55]

What was the finish? Numbering nomenclature? Another thing about presentations is that they shouldn't have a "normal" serial number...

[firstflabn]

Another thing about presentations is that they shouldn't have a "normal" serial number...

Define 'shouldn't.'

[Tuna]

That's not quite true. Some IBM presentation carbines have serial numbers from the set that was assigned to IBM. One is listed as having serial number 3902xxx.

[lkgmadmax]

Hi Ncblksmth1, I just purchased a presentation IBM carbine yesterday, the gun will ship to me tomorrow. I wonder if it's the same, this one was presented to R.L. Surface at IBM Poughkeepsie NY in 1944 Line #2.

Enclosing a link to the pics: https://picasaweb.google.com/1104440...CL6vxN7D76KAKA

Thanks for any feed back. -David

[lkgmadmax]

Hi Ncblksmth1, I just purchased a presentation IBM carbine yesterday, the gun will ship to me tomorrow. I wonder if it's the same one you saw, this one was presented to R.L. Surface at IBM Poughkeepsie NY in 1944 Line #2.

I'm enclosing a link to the pics: https://picasaweb.google.com/110444077131266705198/IBMPlant2PresentationM1Carbine1944?authkey=Gv1sRgC L6vxN7D76KAKA

Thanks for any feed back. -David