Chilean Mauser hand guard

[Doug Rammel]

Picked up a model 1895 the other day. It's in nice shape. All matching except the cleaning rod.This is the first one of these I have owned. The pictures I've seen have a hand guard that extend over the rear sight to a collar like an 03a3. this one stops at the front of the rear sight. There is a slot cut and a piece of brass stuck down in the slot. (see Pics) If this isn't some kind of odd varient what models of mauser's could I use for a replacement?

Thanks
Doug

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/drammel/chilean/2.jpg (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/drammel/media/chilean/2.jpg.html)

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/drammel/chilean/1.jpg (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/drammel/media/chilean/1.jpg.html)

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/drammel/chilean/serial.jpg (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/drammel/media/chilean/serial.jpg.html)

[JimF]

. . . . . .There is a slot cut and a piece of brass stuck . . . . .

What you think is a "piece of brass" in the slot is actually extremely fine wire, wrapped very tightly around the hand guard and barrel!

Do NOT attempt to remove this, as you'll NEVER get it re-wrapped to look decent!

[Doug Rammel]

Was this some kind of arsenal repair?

[JimF]

No. . . . This is how they were originally assembled. Later they went to the more common type of hand guard attachment.
I have the same hand guard on my 1891 Argentine Mauser.
If you ever take the barreled action out of the stock, you will see what superior craftsmanship is all about!! --Jim

[Devil Dog]

Should there be a a "clip" at the barrel/receiver joint that holds the rear of the handguard?

[JimF]

Should there be a a "clip" at the barrel/receiver joint that holds the rear of the handguard?

No, no clip required because the rear of the guard is in FRONT of the rear sight!

The top of the barrel is exposed between the receiver and the back-end of the rear sight. --Jim

[Doug Rammel]

I finally took the gun apart. The stock is inletted for the collar like an 03A3. You can see indentations at the inletting where the collar was in place. The wire that holds the handguard is very well done. The stock was inletted for clearance and a hole was drilled to let the twisted wire fit without interferance. I believe it's an arsenal repair. it's to well done to be Bubba. This gun was made in Germany. They would not have installed the handguard like this. if you look at the third picture you can see the inletting but not the indentations.

Should I try to get a proper handguard or keep it with the repair?

[dave]

You are mistaken, it is original, as you were advised above. (91 Argintines were the same). Features such as this were many times specified by the buying country. Perhaps they liked the Argintine model. They would have used stocks of the normal type (manufacture) even tho the handguard is mounted differently. They would not change set up of stock machine for this one order, they were selling (trying anyway) to other countries the normal pattern.

[Doug Rammel]

Well OK But how do you explain the indentations marks for the collar? If I can get a good pic of the marks i will post it. Is any of this documented anywhere? The serial # is B4300.

[dave]

If you are saying 'indentation marks' are from a collar having been used on this stock? then I can not explain that, except to say you must be correct. At any rate I would leave it as is. Even you say it looks "professionaly done", meaning arsenal done.

[Dad]

Can you post a picture of the left side of the receiver showing the model number (Mauser Modelo Chileno 1895) and an overall picture of the rifle.
Could you possibly have a 1891 Modelo Argentino action and handguard in a 1895 Modelo Chileno stock?

Modelo Argentino 1891:
http://www.gunscollecting.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1891-argentina-lato-sx-copia.jpg

Modelo Chileno 1895
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/13268/13828606_5.jpg?v=8CF5EFBD6B026C0

D.

[Doug Rammel]

Well I didn't take an over all picture but here are three of the serial #, model type , and the indentation.

Stock is original as it matches the barrel and receiver. B4300

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/drammel/chilean/serial-1.jpg (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/drammel/media/chilean/serial-1.jpg.html)

It's definatly an 1895.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/drammel/chilean/name.jpg (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/drammel/media/chilean/name.jpg.html)

the indentation is right above the inlet for the collar.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/drammel/chilean/dfe1bd35-f763-4f93-b6b7-736f2658e419.jpg (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/drammel/media/chilean/dfe1bd35-f763-4f93-b6b7-736f2658e419.jpg.html)

I'm going to assume an arsenal repair and leave it as is. It matches the stock.
I ordered some brass and bullets so now to see how it shoots. :icon_sunny:

Thanks for the help:icon_salut:

[Dad]

It might be an arsenal repair due to the correct replacement handguard not being available, or BUBBA did some work on it.
All the Modelo Chileno 1895s I have seen, seem to have a handguard with a collar retaining the rear end like a M1903, not wire wrap retained like a Modelo Chileno 1891.

A Modelo Chileno 1895 should look like these pictures.
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=3062&idcategory=

D.